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TakeAThirdOption's avatar

You have no idea how much better you could understand free will and consciousness by reading Dennett instead of Hoel.

Consider this:

> If I've presented Hoel's conclusion as if it is simple and obvious ...

... then because it is. At least it was for Dennett in 1984, when he published it in "Elbow Room - The varieties of free will worth wanting", but he made a much more sensible case than Hoel for it. And it's only about 200 pages too!

"Content and Consciousness" (190 pages) and "Consciousness Explained" (470 argh!) can show you that there has been lots of scientific and, importantly, philosophical progress about the topic of consciousness, but for some reason, it gets ignored. (That Dennett got criticized with statements like "Consciousness Explained *Away* would have been a better title", might be a hint as to why that is.)

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Dino's avatar

I also read Hoel's book, hoping to understand Integrated Information Theory (IIT), and was disappointed. I could sort of understand the math parts but couldn't see how it related to consciousness. Maybe he didn't explain it well. I was surprised he wound up trashing it since he helped develop it.

Then there was the part about philosophical zombies where he gives a good logical argument why it's not a valid concept (which I agree with), but he introduces the subject by saying he "philosophically accepts the idea" - huh?

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